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The colleges will argue that the coverage of contraception and sterilization is not "free," as the Obama administration claims, because "a variety of costs contained in the massive scope of the mandate would necessarily be passed on to the employer through premiums."
The colleges do not share the Catholic Church's beliefs on contraception but object to rules forcing them to provide "several drugs or devices that may cause the demise of an already conceived but not-yet-implanted human embryo," including IUDs.
They would also be forced to cover the drug "ella," known as the "week-after pill," which also destroys embryos, the lawyers say.
According to ADF senior counsel Kevin Theriot, "the government shouldn't be able to force anyone to buy or sell insurance that subsidizes morally objectionable pills and treatments."
Theriot accuses the Obama administration of inventing "a fake right to get 'free' abortion pills and sterilization, and elevating it above real freedoms protected by the First Amendment."
ObamaCare's contraception mandate was obviously never merely an anti-Catholic offense but a trampling of First Amendment freedoms.
It Isn't Just Catholics Mad About ObamaCare Mandate
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This week, two non-Catholic Christian colleges are proving that Obama-Care's contraception-sterilization requirement isn't just a Catholic concern. They are suing for their religious freedoms, too.
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#1 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 1:49 PM ESTThey are suing for their religious freedoms, too.
This is NOT a religious freedom issue that is a red haring. The colleges are secular and fall under US labor law end of story.
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Church operated charities, hospitals, and schools are religious. They are part of the church operating them and it affects religious freedom when they are compelled by the state to violate their beliefs for any reason.
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Church operated charities, hospitals, and schools are religious.
Not if they hire or except students from the secular world.
They are part of the church operating them and it affects religious freedom when they are compelled by the state to violate their beliefs for any reason.
WRONG!!!There is NO First amendment for business.
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Cornhusker:
Get a grip. The church ministers to spiritual needs. It is that and that alone which gives it the protections afforded by the First Amendment.
Hospitals and other such institutions deal with the physical realm. They are a business. They do not deal in faith. They are covered by labor law and other regulations that deal with the real and tangible world.
The other point - that contraceptives are not free - is not going to be easy to prove. Given the cost of an unwanted birth, the costs of contraception may save the insurance company a great deal of money. Insurance companies could actually increase profits by preventing childbirths, thus making contraception essentially a no-cost service.
Honestly, I don't know how you people feel comfortable telling us that we are wrong because you have some sort of mandate from an invisible being, the existence of whom you cannot prove. You have no right to shove your "faith"-based beliefs down the throats of those of us who live in the real world.
Go to your church, your synagogue, your tabernacle, or whatever, and sing your songs, praise your deities, and give money to your clergy. That is your right and it is protected. Beyond that, you venture into the real world. The government makes the rules in that world.
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Go to your church, your synagogue, your tabernacle, or whatever, and sing your songs, praise your deities, and give money to your clergy. That is your right and it is protected. Beyond that, you venture into the real world. The government makes the rules in that world.
The ministry of a church is much more than sitting in a pew and attendiing a service every Sundayy or Saturday. Churches were called by God also to educate the young, heal the ill, and provide for those in need. The governmennt in this country needs a prevailing national interest in order to trample upon the religious beliefs of those operating religios operated ministries.
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You can sure tell who the atheists are on this string. They don't have a clue about how Christianity functions nor the true meaning of the first amendment. Makes me think they are not Americans at all. Just foreigners pretending to be Americans just so they can put their 2¢ worth in. No true American would try to second guess the first amendment. There is no room for interpretation when it comes to the amendments and the bill of rights.
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Dear Jack,
I have some knowledge and interest in this topic, as a Catholic/Christian.
It IS about Religious Freedom. As Pres John F Kennedy stated, our Rights/Freedoms come from God, the state does not give US them, now can the state or gov take them away.
The gov cannot tell someone what they should believe or not believe, I do not have to believe Abortion is good for the unborn child or for the mother/family.
Those Catholics/Christians/Jews who are against this Obama mandate is Freedom of Religion, Conscience. Abortion is intrinsically evil in the Teaching of the Catholic Church, whether it is done by chemicals or surgery.
The Government cannot mandate anyone change their beliefs or Faith convictions, like Pres Jack Kennedy, a Democrat stated, our Rights/Freedoms come from God, not the government. The government does not give US our Rights/Freedoms, hence they cannot take them away.
Obama not only wants to mandate what to believe and what Rights the Gov says Religion will be allowed, now he wants the Churches to foot the bill.
If the Pro Aborts feel they are on such high moral ground, open their pockets and pay for this wonderful service! The Catholic Church provides 1/3 of all healthcare in this country of ours.
This is not a contraceptive issue, it is a moral issue and Freedom of Religion. If someone in this country wants an Abortifacient they can now get one out of a vending machine. The Catholic Church is stating they cannot in Conscience buy or provide Abortifacients as it is against Church Teaching.
This is a basic tenant and has not changed, nor can it change, Scripture states not to kill the innocent.
I do feel it curious, if those who want Abortifacients and its their Right, no one is taking their Right to kill their unborn child. Do not ask us who believe it is evil to pay for it. We think it is wrong.
The Catholic Church and other Christians/Jews believe that God gave us the Right to Life, not the government. We do not belong to the government, the government belongs to US. The government does not give US our Freedoms, they are from God.
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Therese, I found this tonight...pretty good piece on the subject.
http://bryankemper.com/2012/02/10/update-president-obamas-false-accommodation-on-the-birth-control-mandate-it-is-actually-worse/
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Go to your church, your synagogue, your tabernacle, or whatever, and sing your songs, praise your deities, and give money to your clergy. That is your right and it is protected. Beyond that, you venture into the real world.
Really? Let's see here, PUBLIC SCHOOLS...............yep, REAL WORLD, I'm certain of it:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/15/james-harper-grand-juncti_n_1279683.html
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#2 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 4:46 PM ESTCornhusker:
Really? The Chief Minister in Christian Churches was a fellow named Jesus.....at least that's what the urban legend says. He raised the dead, he healed the halt and the lame. He did it for FREE. The education he provided said to love thy neighbor and he constantly warned of the danger of wealth. Give up that wealth, he said. You might want to check out that Sermon on the Mount thing. Great Beatitudes and all that. Your precious church really doesn't need to make a profit, does it? That's not me talking, that's your chief religious honcho.
There is absolutely nothing in the government's directive to offer free birth control that tramples religious beliefs. When you come back with your weak-kneed response, I'd sure like to know why your religious sensibilities weren't violated when 28 states issued virtually identical regulations before the feds.
Lastly, until you can prove you have an authority that frowns on this government regulation, I'd strongly suggest you search for stronger justification than some super guy no one has seen or heard.
#3 - Sat Feb 18, 2012 5:20 PM ESTDavid,
Wow, your comment to the author of this article
There is absolutely nothing in the government's directive to offer free birth control that tramples religious beliefs. When you come back with your weak-kneed response, I'd sure like to know why your religious sensibilities weren't violated when 28 states issued virtually identical regulations before the feds.
Yes, "weak-kneed response"? LOL, I beg to differ...well actually I do not beg to differ, I do differ. I totally agree with cornhusker. You also offer that Jesus is "urban legand"? LOL I have personal interest in this topic as a Catholic/Christian and their is documented historical fact of Jesus the Christ or the Nazorene. Please review your history. Oh, 98% of all your/mine knowledge is second hand. You take it on "Faith" it is true.
I researched Christ throughout my life and His claim to be The Son of God, 2000 yrs from now, I wonder if you will be spoken of....hmmm
I do believe in Scripture + Christ. I find more evidence in Him and Scripture than what those who purport that there is no God. Some atheists preach there is no God and they put all their faith in death and no soul. I find it without substance as there is too much evidence of things in this world that cannot be explained.
Oh, I do not feel the argument against God has any creditability. There is no small minded person on this earth that can disprove the miracles I have personal knowledge of, nor do I think these weak minded people can negate something I know is real, I have a soul and a Creator, a God/Father who is very interested in where I spend my eternity.
The lousy argument that we human beings are just food for worms is weak and not proven.
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he constantly warned of the danger of wealth. Give up that wealth, he said
You're twisting the words of Christ and taking his teachings completely out of context.
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Comment collapsed by the communityNope, I've simply reported your attacks and I'm moving on. I'm neither a chump nor your @!$%#ing "BUB". And you're obviously in way over your head where this discussion is concerned.
All the best to you.
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Run, run, run. In your world that is the only choice you have. You can't prove anything, and collapsing the truth doesn't make it go away.
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I didn't collapse the comment and I'm quite certain it wasn't collapsed for the truth because there was no truth in the comment as I recall. And I sure as hell don't run, especially from people like you, this is an argument you've already lost, you just haven't realized it yet.
I reported you for the childish name calling. I don't know who collapsed the comment but evidently others don't agree with your personal attack either. I can not only explain that which you wish, I can do it in very detailed yet simplistic language. But when people ask me to explain something then in the very next sentence call me a chump, then @!$%# it, go look it up and try to understand it yourself.
Anything else on your mind this afternoon there David?
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You can no more prove that a rich man will not go to heaven than a poor man. Your analogy about the camel through the eye of the needle is pretty weak. After all, a camel can go through the eye of a needle quite easily. You just make a very large needle! Nobody can prove where a rich man goes when he dies. Nobody can prove where anyone goes when they die.
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The analogy about the camel and the eye of the needle is not mine. It comes straight from the Bible.
You cannot prove there is a heaven.
You cannot prove there is a god.
You are the one presenting this god as truth, not I.
You cannot explain what I ask except to say you believe it to be the truth. YOU HAVE NO PROOF. I cannot disprove the existence of a god, gods, titans, or fairies, for that matter. On the other hand, you cannot prove the existence of any of them. If you wish to be guided by morals and codes you attribute to a being whose existence you cannot prove - do so. Do not expect anyone else to follow the morals and codes of a being who exists ONLY in your mind.
Lastly, if you wish to argue this point, learn the language. Yes, your explanation will be simplistic - at best.
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You cannot prove there is a heaven.
You cannot prove there is a god.
And, naturally...you can not prove that there is NOT. So where does this leave us?
Tolerance and understanding comes to mind. Respect those who have 'faith', rather than joining the progressive laugh parade in demeaning that emotion and belief. If the progressive left would show 1/2 the tolerance to American Christians as they do to those who despise formal religion, perhaps they would be taken more seriously when the debate involves 'openness' and 'inclusiveness'.
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It never ceases to amaze me how some people who passionately claim the non existence of God seem almost obsessed about proving to extremely passionate believers that their is in fact no God while at the same time passionately screaming at the top of their lungs:
"GET YOUR GOD OUT OF MY FACE"
While they claim to not want to hear anything about God, they as I stated almost obsessively frequent seeds about:
G-O-D
Incredible
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At the risk of offending the secularists here, I say...Amen drummerboy.
Like you, I am amazed at just how appleplexic the left becomes at something they don't even believe in. They would have us believe that bible thumping Christians follow them around daily, knock on their door at 6PM each evening and harass them during their 'bong' sessions daily. Naw...that doesn't happen, but they somehow collectively think they are being assaulted every minute of every day. It's amusing really, considering it actually boils down to a group of people, rather a majority of people who simply do not approve of the life styles of these folks, and as such, it's considered a threat. Hey, I don't care if someone doesn't approve of ME, get over yourselves...I do. They tend to transfer that threat into imaginary harassment. Hey lib's, knock yourselves out...live and enjoy whatever tackle pleasures give your life meaning, just don't project guilt or perceived judgement by others as attacks. No one really cares about you...your soul's perhaps, but that's their right, and your left. LOL
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At the risk of offending the secularists here, I say...Amen drummerboy.
Bless you my son.................
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Freedom Ranger:
All you had to do was read my complete post. I wrote:
I cannot disprove the existence of a god, gods, titans, or fairies, for that matter.
You ask, where does that leave us? I don't care where it leaves you or other believers. That's up to you. I care that you stop trying to impose religious tenets on government. I don't want your god in my life.
That seems like a pretty fair trade to me. You keep your god to yourself and your like-minded brethren and I will not interfere with your beliefs, no matter how ridiculous I think they may be. Extend to me the same courtesy.
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Extend to me the same courtesy.
DW, good fvcking luck with that.
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All you had to do was read my complete post. I wrote:
I cannot disprove the existence of a god, gods, titans, or fairies, for that matter.
I saw that, and appreciate it, in spite of the sarcasm....yet, in the same breath you say:
You cannot explain what I ask except to say you believe it to be the truth. YOU HAVE NO PROOF.
Both sides here are demanding proof of the UN-provable. This is an age old and un-ending discussion. My issue is with the lock step loathing of all things Christian by many secularists, who act as if they have personally been assaulted daily by Christians, when we both know that is highly unlikely. I am simply asking for balance in this discourse, unlike the typical reaction from #4.13.
You keep your god to yourself
What you seem to not get, is that 'self' is the only place most Christians keep their God. When and if they attempt to share it, it is out of love and compassion, and not intended to be offensive, yet, they are always thrown to the lions. I seriously doubt that you have been 'accosted' by a Christian, and if so...upon rejection, I virtually guarantee they respected your wishes and did not return.
Have a great nite.....oh, and BTW...I don't go to church.
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My issue is with the lock step loathing of all things Christian by many secularists, who act as if they have personally been assaulted daily by Christians, when we both know that is highly unlikely. I am simply asking for balance in this discourse, unlike the typical reaction from #4.13.
It rains that all of the time to where it is just nauseating.
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David,
There is more documented Fact of miracles, in Science, which by the way, the Catholic Church was the one who started Scientific Theory. Yep, the Church, the bases was that God created the Universe + had an order of creation. This is the fundamentals of the Scientific Theory when all tests in a Theory must have the same result, because God is a God of order and design.
If it were not for the brilliant minds and scribes through the ages, for many centuries only about 3% of the population could read or write. This knowledge was passed down by those believers who cherished knowledge and if you knew your history, it was the Church and believers who started the first Universities and hospitals.
The "Big Bang" Theory was originated by a Jesuit Priest Physicist.
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David,
I do think it is curious that those who state there is no God, spend so much time in their lives talking about something they emphatically believe does not exist? hmmm
Yep, I have seen evidence of atheists who preach more about the non existence of God, than Christians who state they believe in God.
My question is, why does anyone who does not believe in God and state that Christians or believers of God are weak minded, even give this argument a second thought?
I do think it is a weak argument that Christians/believers are weak minded, it is certainly not easy to be a Christian/believer in today's society. Christians did not have an easy way in the last two thousand years, all Popes in the Church were martyred in the first 300 yrs. The Rome Games were lit by the burning bodies of Christians. I do not agree that we are weak minded, if these believers were so weak and stupid, why did they stand up to the government of their day and face imminent death?
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Exactly and the surest way to exponentially expand the growth of Christianity is to persecute it. See The Voice of the Martyrs for evidene of this as well as the above 1st 300 years of all Christian churches history.
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I have NOT confirmed this yet, so everyone is on their own to find out- heard this morning on the news that muslims are exempted from Obamacare p. 107 of it..
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The analogy about the camel and the eye of the needle is not mine. It comes straight from the Bible.
Which you claim not to believe in...do you really not see the irony there?
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This knowledge was passed down by those believers who cherished knowledge and if you knew your history, it was the Church and believers who started the first Universities and hospitals.
The fact that we know any history at all is thanks to the Church...monks were the ones who recorded history. The fact that we have art and music in the world can be attributed to the Church...they were the first and at the time only "patrons of the arts".
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ark gloria, I think that part is untrue...seems like there was some scuttlebutt about it last summer and that was unfounded.
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Number five vote cornhusker....thanks for your articles and thanks for your clipping to the True Americans Group...not to derail your article but I have wanted to tell you..
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#6 - Sun Feb 19, 2012 4:03 PM ESTGlad it was clipped. I cannot add anything to what has already been said. Great summation drummer and freedom ranger.
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